Gesellschaft für Internationale Zusammenarbeit Thorsten Schäfer-Gümbel im Interview: "Es gibt für uns rote Linien"
Interview | Berlin · Afghanistan, Mali, Ukraine – die Gesellschaft für Internationale Zusammenarbeit (GIZ) mit Sitz in Bonn hilft im Auftrag der Regierung. Thorsten Schäfer-Gümbel ist neuer Vorstandssprecher und früherer SPD-Spitzenpolitiker.

GIZ-Vorstandssprecher Thorsten Schäfer-Gümbel.
Foto: dpaMit Schäfer-Gümbel sprach Hagen Strauß.
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