Interview mit Alhassane Baldé „Wir bewegen uns auf einem schmalen Grat“
Interview | Bonn · Die fremdenfeindlichen Äußerungen von Ex-Nationaltorhüter Jens Lehmann über Dennis Aogo haben die Debatte über Rassismus im Sport neu befeuert. Alhassane Baldé kennt solche verbalen Übergriffe aus eigener Erfahrung. Simon Bartsch und Tobias Schild sprachen mit dem Bonner Rennrollstuhlfahrer über Beleidigungen, Respekt und Vorurteile.
Schnell unterwegs und klar in seiner Meinung: Alhassane Baldé setzt sich gegen Rassismus ein.
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